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Definition of canoe

@Kanoniem: thank you for that clarification. I was simply trying to point out that the words "kayak" and "canoe" appear to be used differently in e.g. Britain and North America, whereas both articles began with the American definition and made no mention that other parts of the world may use the terms slightly differently. You clearly know more about canoeing than I do, so are in a good position to further refine these definitions. Bermicourt (talk) 13:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. please be aware that I did not make up my edits, but cited sources for my information. Bermicourt (talk) 13:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware of that, but the Cambridge dictionary is really wrong in that respect.

This really is a difficult subject to describe correctly with the different interpretations of the word canoe, which is explained somewhat more on the Canadian canoe page.

Kanoniem (talk) 13:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We should also cover the terminology questions here. Even if we don't change the scope of the article. North8000 (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is that what's going on here, an WP:ENGVAR issue? Because there are two images in this article, the "Whitewater slalom canoe" and the "Playboating decked canoe" that sure look like kayaks to my eye. I've never heard of an enclosed boat being considered a canoe. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, the "Whitewater slalom canoe" and the "Playboating decked canoe" are not considered to be kayaks in American and British view, because they are paddled kneeling with a single-blade paddle. And yes, that is somewhat illogical, but reality -- especially in competition. Kanoniem (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I guess that at least kind of makes sense. I go boating to relax, not to compete, so I was looking at boat shape alone. Incidentally there are images of (my) square-backed canoe at the article Scanoe if we want to use one here. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This caption is likely wrong: “Innu building a birch bark canoe, Mi'kmaq camp, Matapedia, Quebec, Alexander Henderson, circa 1870, Canada” Why would an Innu man be building a canoe in a Mikmaq community? Those peoples are distinct. There are present-day Mikmaq First Nations in Gespe’gewa’gi but no Innu communities. The museum holding the original doesn’t say the man is Innu: https://collections.musee-mccord-stewart.ca/en/objects/168264/construction-de-la-membrure-dun-canot-decorce-campement-m?ctx=73422b2008ec4d10dbc51f177a2d7034f1f5131c&idx=19 134.41.86.92 (talk) 01:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology?...

According to the article (as currently written): "The word canoe came into English from the French word "casnouey" adopted from the Saint-Lawrence Iroquoians language in the 1535 Jacques Cartier Relations translated in 1600 by the English geographer Richard Hackluyt."

But according to Wiktionary, the word actually comes from Proto-Arawak *kanawa, via Spanish "canoa."

I haven't researched this in any sort of depth, but Wiktionary's etymology seems much more likely and simpler and more straight forward. Modern French also has a similar word, apparently also from Arawak, via Spanish. -2003:CA:8728:D548:BFE5:4DE1:1F5:1472 (talk) 21:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]