Talk:Salami

Hard salami

Can anyone please explain what the difference is between hard salami and Genoa salami? I've eaten both and can't really tell the difference between the two. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.3.120 (talk) 06:02, 2008 December 22 (UTC)

Contributions from Coreyfro at IP 63.204.219.3

I don't know proper wiki netiquette but I have taken over this article and treated it with the same pride I would treat my homemade Salame Calabrese. I rewrote this article in the hopes to allow the uninitiated American to appreciate and enjoy this fine, Italian/International tradition. I also wanted to erase the stigma that fine salami could only be found from Italy. Italian Americans (mostly from San Francisco, but also from New York and other parts of the east coast as well) have, for over a century, fought a long battle (against government and corporations) to secure Italian Salami as a respectable tradition here in America. As such, this tradition lives on in both the new world and the old. "Italian Salami" (which means, ironically, "Made in America") symbolizes the vigilance, excellence, pride, and dedication to fine food in the new world and is more American than Apple pie. —The preceding comment was added by Coreyfro (talk • contribs) .

I wish there weren't any Oscar Myer whiners

I like how someone called me a fuckhead over the fact that I called a product that was machine processed not salami. If it's not naturally cured, it's not salami, it's not even jerky, end of argument...fuckhead—The preceding comment was added by Coreyfro (talk • contribs) .

Casings

The natural casings arn't actually intestines. They are connective tissue from arround the intestines. Also, artificial casings are also made of cellulose. -DrWorm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.243.7 (talk) 05:36, 2006 July 7 (UTC)

When I order from the butcher the natural casings, I ask for cow intestines. Last time I checked, paper was also made from cellulose. Reverting. Coreyfro (talk • contribs) .

Salami in other dishes

Should this article have a section about the popular uses for salami? Eg. on pizzas, in pastas, rolls etc. Yum! Hoo0001

Ingredients.

In 'Additional ingredients may include' section: Guy's nipple? Who is Guy and why is his nipple ending in salame?

Origin/History

Handbook of Fermented Meat and Poultry, Toldra et al. 2007 → talks about generalized history of fermented products, eventually gets to salami and different regions with fermented meats. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/book/10.1002/9781118522653

Finite element model of salami ripening process and successive storage in package→ introduction gives good background info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braedensykes (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2016 February 12 (UTC)

Health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870571/?tool=pmcentrez SUMMARY: There was a family outbreak of Escherichia coli O157 infection which was microbiologically associated with the consumption of dry-fermented salami made with exclusively pork meat and produced in a local plant. This might of been the first report of an outbreak associated with a product (Salami) containing pork meat only.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380627/pdf/amjph00519-0088.pdf. similar to the one above. We can talk about how some bacteria present in Salami can survive fermentation and drying process.

http://www.jaci-inpractice.org/article/S2213-2198(12)00017-7/fulltext. Salami is a possible allergen to some people due to the use of penicillium species mold starter during the drying and curing portion of processing to add flavor and stop growth of undesirable molds. Two young boys with common allergies ( peanut, and pollen) were shown to exhibit symptoms such as swollen eyelids and retrosternal pain after consuming certain types of salami. When pin prick allergen tests were conducted they came out negative for all of the ingredients in salami and the salami meat but was positive to the skin of salami due to mold species growing in this area.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22063993. Fermented pork back fat that is used in sausages such as salami is very high in saturaded fatty acids and cholesterol. Around 30 percent of salami is made up of fat. It has been shown that it is possible to replace the pork backfat in salami with virgin olive oil thereby changing the fatty acid profile of the salami. Lactic acid in the pork is produced when carbs in the pork are broken down during fermentation. Salami is an acidic food mainly due to lactic acid produced during fermentation. This lactic acid lowers the ph of the salami down from its original ph which lies in the range of 6.35 – 6.65.

http://go.galegroup.com/ps/i.do?p=HRCA&u=ubcolumbia&id=GALE%7CA248493714&v=2.1&it=r&sid=summon&userGroup=ubcolumbia This article talks about contaminated black and red pepper in salami that caused infections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braedensykes (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2016 February 12 (UTC)

Production

http://web.a.ebscohost.com/ehost/detail/detail?sid=5662b98e-51ba-4cb0-a76d-67128124e2d7%40sessionmgr4003&vid=0&hid=4109&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZSZzY29wZT1zaXRl&preview=false#db=bth&AN=109996365 “Control of Penicillium sp. on the Surface of Italian Salami Using Essential Oils” → talks about how oregano, rosemary, clove oil inhibit growth of the funghi penicillium sp. in salami.

http://www.sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.library.ubc.ca/science/article/pii/S0260877414000636 “Finite element model of salami ripening process and successive storage in package” → moisture diffusion during ripening and storage stages.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.ezproxy.library.ubc.ca/doi/10.1111/j.1745-4573.2009.00198.x/full COLOR DEVELOPMENT DURING NATURAL FERMENTATION AND CHEMICAL ACIDIFICATION OF SALAMI-TYPE PRODUCTS. It talks about the impact of different acidification methods on the color and moisture of salami meat products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braedensykes (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2016 February 12 (UTC)

Taste

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234010141_Relationship_between_flavour_deterioration_and_the_volatile_compound_profile_of_semi-ripened_sausage. Dry cured sausages such as salami have very low water activities and have many preservatives, flavourings, antioxidants, and acidifying cultures which allows them to be stable for a very long time. the main factor in salamis limited shelf life is its deteriorating taste as spoilage bacteria will have a difficult time growing in salami. A main cause of taste deterioration has been determined to be rancidity with accompanying other possible flavours such as mouldy, or putrid taste are also possible.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0101-20612011000100016 Sensory Profile of Italian salami with Coriander (Coriandrum sativum L.) Essential Oil. It talks about additives such as coriander essential oil creates little stale taste and extra brightness and red color of salami. The experiment was conducted by Qualitative Descriptive analysis which is something we have learned in class

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Braedensykes (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2016 February 12 (UTC)

Varieties

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174007001404It talks about different bacteria formed in salami made from different meat (beef, horse, mutton…).

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00141840701387853#aHR0cDovL3d3dy50YW5kZm9ubGluZS5jb20vZG9pL3BkZi8xMC4xMDgwLzAwMTQxODQwNzAxMzg3ODUzQEBAMA== SUMMARY: This article speaks about the production of material and value as it is expressed through the commoditization and transformation of the type of salami made in Bergamo (in Italy). It focuses on various regimes of value and illuminates how authenticity and prestige become an important factor in different types of Salami meat.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Braedensykes (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2016 February 12 (UTC)

Non regional, different than sausages

1. This article needs to acknowledge that salami is not specific to Italy or only a few countries. It is a global phenomenon on every single continent. Every country has thousands versions of salamis. E.g. The so called Romanian "Sibiu" Salami is not from Sibiu(a city in Romania), its actually a family of salamis that is being made by hundreds of producers. And its only one salami family from many dozens families of salamis that are being made in Romania.

2. We need to clear one more thing: sausages are very different than salami, the only thing they have in common is that they are cold-cuts. But the width, ingredients and the taste are completely different.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.121.231 (talk) 22:09, 2020 August 9 (UTC)

"Tradiční Lovecký salám" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Tradiční Lovecký salám has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 25 § Tradiční Lovecký salám until a consensus is reached. cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Lead definition

• The current lead sentence is:

Salami (/səˈlɑːmi/ sə-LAH-mee; sg.: salame) is a salume consisting of fermented and air-dried meat, typically pork.

This won't do because salume is not an English word and this is the English language wikipedia. I changed it back to sausage, as in the original, but this was reverted (Hi, salami is a salume (see: Talk:Salami/Archive 1#Salami (salumi family) and sausage aren't the same thing). JacktheBrown (talk) 17:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)).

I am still not content. Note that the OED defines salami as "An Italian variety of sausage, highly salted and flavoured." Q.E.D. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

it's fine as is. "salume" (or salumi, whichever spelling you're in the mood for) is a loanword (like café and buffalo), and the salumi article specifically counts salami and its variations cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Except that it's a loanword that gets minimal usage and aids only a small portion of readers' understanding, even clicking through to the mediocre salumi article. I'd suggest the first sentence use 'sausage' and the phrase 'a type of salume' be worked into the second sentence. Star Garnet (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Salumi are a subset of sausages, so changing the word to "salume" makes the definition more precise. There is no word in English for this other than the borrowed one. It's like "salami" itself in that regard. Largoplazo (talk) 23:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

this discussion would be really funny if it turned out that "sausage" was also a loanword. alas, that's not the case cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Reading Star Garnet's reply above, I don't disagree with taking into account the obscurity of the word to the general English-language readership. "Sausage" is less precise but also more immediately meaningful, and the latter, I guess, takes precedence. So, as Star Garnet suggests, I'd support the approach of sausage-first, specificity after. Largoplazo (talk) 03:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Andrew Davidson and Largoplazo that "sausage" is better here. We should strive for the opening sentences of an article to be broadly understandable. We start Mosquito with "Mosquitoes are a family of small flies..." even though "Mosquitoes are a family of small dipterans..." is more precise (and "a family of small Culicoidea..." better yet). We happily sacrifice a bit of precision for a boost in clarity. Ajpolino (talk) 18:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm also with the 'sausage' crew. It's better for readers to start broad and get more precise as the article continues. Sausage is perfectly accurate, after all. —Ganesha811 (talk) 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)