Talk:Literacy

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I won't to start lesson on how to read and write

Online lesson I need help please 105.113.30.74 (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect

There is absolutely no reason why this page on "literacy" should be redirected from the "New Literacy Studies" page of from a "new literacy studies" search. They are quite separate entities (this is akin to having the page on "Canada" automatically redirect to the page on the "US"). The latter is a field of study and needs it's own page back again.

Arab Countries Illiteracy Rates Claim

"Asian, Arab and Sub-Saharan African countries are regions with the lowest literacy rates at about 10% to 12%"

So can someone give an example of an Arab country that has literacy rates at about 10% to 12%, as this article claims?

Whole Article

I haven't looked at this article for quite some time, but reading it now makes my head spin. It has been gutted from it's previous incarnations and definitely reflects a particular ideology. This article definitely does not meet the neutral POV of Wikipedia nor are many of the assertions supported by references. G. Jacobs 29-03-09

Changes to the opening section

I suggest the opening section be changed in the following areas:

1) Numeracy: I have already changed this because there appears to be no major organizations that include "numeracy" as part of literacy.

2) "Updated and expanded definitions": The alternate ways that literacy is represented should be explained more clearly. For example, "health literacy", "computer literacy" and "ecological literacy" are not subsets of literacy (in my view), they are just another way of using the word literacy (as defined by various dictionaries).

2) Measurement: Regardless of the fact that some organizations give a "social and cultural" slant to literacy, it should be acknowledged that the only way literacy is measured is as reading or writing or comprehension.

3) Readability: The first section has a Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level of 17.7 (College Graduate and above). I feel it should be rewritten so the average person can understand it.

I am happy to start this unless there are objection. John NH (talk) 12:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I have made changes to the opening. If you have concerns, please post them here or send me a message. Thank you. John NH (talk) 13:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Compositionist's assertion that Wikipedia is not a dictionary and readers need research-based consensus:

Just about every Wikipedia article starts with a very basic definition of the topic that closely matches the dictionary. (ex: "Writing is a medium of human communication that involves the representation of a language through a system of physically inscribed, mechanically transferred, or digitally represented symbols.")

Dictionaries are not typically outdated or inaccurate, and I think the vast majority of people would generally agree that literacy is the ability to read, write, understand, and evaluate, as per Wikitionary. If you want to go into detail into what one particular literary theorist wants to argue about literacy, that can go later in the article.

I would not call the current definition of "particular ways of thinking about and doing reading and writing" meaningful. I feel like, outside of academia, it's fairly obvious that people read and write in the context of understanding or expressing things, and the level of nuance presented is neither necessary for an opening paragraph nor elaborated upon later in the article.

You could workshop that to say something akin to "Literacy is the ability to read and write in at least one language, with the purpose of understanding or expressing thoughts or ideas in written form." This definition, like the rest of the article, assumes that we're talking specifically about the ability to read and write, as opposed to computer literacy, media literacy, etc. That said, it gets the point across while also not starting the paragraph with an extremely awkward dig at dictionaries.

InvisibleUp (talk) 05:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Re: InvisibleUp's suggested amendments: I'm happy to collaborate on a more accessible and less nuanced version of this introduction, perhaps starting with the proposed workshopped version. We do need to start with *some* definition -- agreed. But I don't see why we need to start by rounding up *dictionary* definitions as such. There are plenty of useful definitions of the term "literacy" that originate in empirical research on the topic, which are useful even outside academia because they help explain *why* terms like "health literacy", "computer literacy", etc. seem to proliferate. They proliferate *because* there is no such thing as the "ability to read and write" outside of some particular application of reading and writing something for some particular purpose. If people understood that better, which I hope this article would be helpful for, then perhaps we would need fewer such neologisms. Compositionist (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Teaching Literacy and the Three-Cueing System

I think it is important to address a theory to teaching reading that is still practiced in many U.S schools to this day, despite research finding it flawed. It is called the three-cueing system, and I think it should be included in the teaching literacy section to bring more awareness to it. Emzrohm (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Native American subsection needs help

Almost none of the information in this subsection is in its sole citation, nor does this section seem to have much to do with literacy as defined in the rest of the article. None of the definitions given can be entirely detached from written language (even those definitions that include other skills), which this article in its present state does in the section on Native Americans. It seems to me, and apparently all of these diverse organizations cited by the article for definitions of literacy, that competency in oral traditions represents a different skill from literacy. Is the topic of how written language being brought by colonizers to people without a written language affects the native culture relevant here? I guess I don't know, this being a topic way outside my areas of expertise. It's certainly interesting, but possibly it would best be placed in a different article. In any case, it ought to at least be taken from reliable sources and be consistent with the terminology of the rest of the article. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 23:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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