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Requested move 20 June 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There were several supports to move the article to its title in English as "The Homeland" or similar titles, though the supporters did not provide much evidence that the WP:COMMONAME had changed despite a new name having been chosen for the party, and some did not provide policy or guideline based arguments. Although there were more numerical supports than opposes (4 support and 3 opposed), the opposition provided sources that gave the indication that the new names for the party had weak acceptance and that the common name had not changed. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Democratic Party of Germany → Die Heimat (political party) – When a party changes its name, it seems more than natural to rename the page too. Current English-language sources on the party refer to it by its new original name, Die Heimat, which should therefore be the title of the page. It doesn't seem sensible to me to keep a name that has been abandoned for a year now. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 13:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 18:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support but in english
National Democratic Party of Germany → The Homeland (Germany) Gooduserdude (talk) 19:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still see no change from the previous RMs; the party – which has been receiving almost no news coverage anymore – still seems to be referred to in relation to its former name in an "X formerly known as Twitter" way, such as in [1] (the party youth organization of the former NPD, now Die Heimat, Like the NPD, which renamed itself Die Heimat in 2023) or [2]. Curbon7 (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No argument has been provided that the WP:COMMONNAME has changed, so I think helping a neo-Nazi organization's attempt to rebrand is a bad idea. An alternative is a split pre- and post-name change, but I don't really think that'd work. Curbon7 (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Still no evidence has been provided that the common name in English has changed, just a lot of vague hand-waving. Curbon7 (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also support but in English. As Scia Della Cometa said, we should use The Homeland (Germany). The fact that the article currently calls the party the "National Democratic Party of Germany" makes no sense and is clearly outdated, misleading and confusing to readers. Helper201 (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • support. I still stand by what I said the last time we had this discussion.
    we should change it to something like "The Homeland (German political party)" Zyxrq (talk) 17:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also support but in English. It's about time especially now that there is a separate party in Germany registered as the "National Democratic Party of Germany". The common name in German has been widely adopted even to the point of the new colour being used, German Wikipedia changed it ages ago as well. The Homeland (Germany) seems like the best name for the article in my opinion. JonahF (talk) 11:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose to "Die Heimat" per Curbon7, Strong oppose to English title ("The Homeland"). The first few news results in a web search show the party being called "former NPD", indicating weak acceptance of the new name and no change to the COMMONNAME despite a change to the OFFICIALNAME (which we don't care about when discussing article titles): [3][4][5][6][7]. Those same sources, especially the last two BBC articles, show that the English translation is merely explanatory and not the common name, so if we move to an updated title, it should be the German one. Toadspike [Talk] 15:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per discussion of six months ago. But if moved, certainly should not be moved to the English translation. No evidence at all that this is the common name. We don't translate foreign names for the sake of it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • neutral per WP:USEENGLISH, but prefer the current title for clarity. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

a note about "Heimat" for future discussions

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Please see Heimat for the word (~ 'home' or 'homeland' … there's "no exact English equivalent"), and Homeland#Land of one's home (…"narrower in scope than one's nation").
'Home' translated to German may refer to zu Hause, Heim, Heimstätte, Heimatstadt, Heimat …, and 'homeland' may refer to Heimatland, Vaterland (fatherland), Mutterland (motherland), Heimat …. Depending on speaker, context etc, each of these German words may have slightly different meanings. I hope you understand that Heimat is an expression "in between", and "more" as well. In this case, the political party actually refers to (or better: plays with) diverse meanings simultaneously, incl. the obvious nationalistic, but also regionalistic and even romantic ones. I would therefore strongly recommend to NOT translate "Die Heimat" into the rather one-dimensional "The Homeland". 2003:E5:3715:1B00:99CD:6034:56C2:2894 (talk) 02:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

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Why is there still discussion about renaming|article name move here? Just move the page already! Cenbutz1 (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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